July 15, 2018 at 11:26 am #4550
Retaliatory Tariffs by ID10-T
Menu Description: A bourbon-infused peanut butter.
Red Hot America Summer Blend by Ebc88
Menu Description: Strawberry/Boysenberry Tobacco
Mango Funk by RileySwims
Menu Description: A light refreshing ADV with Mango
Sidewinder by pacificTimbre
Menu Description: Cherry Lemon Lime Soda
Kiksuya Chew by ChemicalBurnVictim
Menu Description: Thick, sweet chew with a raisin sweetness. Just like Red Man.
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July 25, 2018 at 8:32 pm #4591Ebc88Participant
Mango Funk By: RileySwims
For me personally the WS-23 is a bit too high. I usually use it around 0.3%. It is all I taste on the inhale. I do some mango on the first bit of the exhale then it is over taken by the coldness. If the ws-23 was dialed back. I would enjoy this much more. The addition of the mango to the cactus, pink guava & elderflower. Taste great and blends in well. Personally I would ditch the WS-23 and use INW Eucalyptus Mint
Sidewinder By: PacificTimbre
When I seen you used 3 lemons & EM I braced for harshness when I inhaled, but it was quite smooth. Up front all I am getting is the lemon combo, then on the tail end of exhale I get your cherry/strawberry combo. Which quite tasty the cherries don’t come off medicinal. Really can’t find nothing to knock you on. You gave me a lemon combo that I didn’t get harshness from or lemon pledge, and a cherry combo that doesn’t taste like cough syrup. Excellent job citrus’ aren’t my thing so I wouldn’t vape this all day, but I certainly enjoyed testing it actually finished off the entire bottle.
Retaliatory Tariffs By: ID10-T
This TPA Peanut Butter DX is going in my collection ASAP. I’ve always disliked the OG TPA P-Nut Butter because I get a funky raw peanut like flavor from it and I found it to be quite dry, but this is not the case with the DX version it is really good. The bourbon pairs well with the p-nut butter. They seem to blend together instead of tasting like separate things. Also getting some caramel like sweetness. The bavarian cream seems to be thickening everything up. Excellent job and thanks for showing me how good DX Peanut Butter is because I had completely wrote off DX flavors.
Kiksuya Chew by: ChemicalBurnVictim
This Raisin Rum & Molasses are in my next flavor order for sure. Many months ago when I first tasted Gold for Pipe in ID10-T’s mix I instantly thought this would go great for a chewing tobacco style vape. I played around with it, Tatanka, & Native, & got the tobacco itself to taste similar to what I wanted it to, but I could never get the sticky sweetness I wanted. Looks like my prayer were answered with RF Molasses & FLV Raisin Rum. The TFA Red Oak is a nice touch as well adds a light woody note. Also the rum from the FLV Raisin Rum is coming through really well for me. It was kinda throwing me off at first before I read what flavors you used because I knew you made a chewing tobacco, and I wasn’t expecting a boozy note, but the more I vaped of it I could taste the raisin as well. As someone who used smokeless tobacco for 15+ years I can certainly appreciate a recipe like this. Now if you could just show me to make an unsweetened Kentucky Twist style chewing tobacco I could check that off my list as well.
August 8, 2018 at 10:29 pm #4627ChemicalBurnVictimKeymaster
Red Hot American Summer
I’m mostly getting strawberry for a good majority of it, with a bit of the boysenberry popping up at the very end. The tobaccos aren’t really jumping out at me as tobaccos. I think they’re mostly just giving it a bit of an earthy vibe. You told me that you weren’t very pleased with how it steeped, which makes me wish I had cracked it open when I first got it. I don’t think it’s an unpleasant taste, but I think I’d like to see some more boysenberry and a stronger tobacco note. It could probably be fixed with some percentage tweaks. I don’t know what the strawberries are each contributing (if Red Touch is a strawberry?) but I think if you dropped one of them it might help. Or at least crank up that Hangsen. And then drop all the fruits (jk jk.) If I had those strawberries I’d try a remixed version to see what I thought, but my strawberry inventory is pretty lacking. But it’s good. Just don’t think it turned in to what you were shooting for.
Aaaaand there goes my balls. Froze them right off. I have zero tolerance built up for the coolants because I only ever have them when they are sent in a recipe here, so this is a tricky one to critique for me. I think about the only thing I can taste beyond all that cold is a bit of the guava and cactus. I’m really trying not to puss out here and get you a better critique, but it almost hurts to vape this much cooling. I will say that the smell of the juice is really nice. Tropical and funky, just like I think it’s supposed to be. I’m short on the FLV Elderflower, but I do have INW Elderflower, and just based on the smell I think it is something I would probably mix up for myself and leave the cooling stuff out and I could probably make it through an entire 30 ml before saying “screw this, I need a tobacco juice.” And that doesn’t happen very often. So, smell test it gets some very high marks. Taste test is too cold to tell. I’m sorry I can’t be anymore help than that 🙁
Alright, so cherries usually scare me. Cough medicine and all that… but the cherries you’ve got here aren’t doing me dirty, so I appreciate that. I think the issue I have with this is the lemon lime soda part. I think maybe there’s too much coming at me in that department trying to create a single profile, and the different components are clashing a bit. I can’t say that for sure, though, because I don’t own a single flavor that’s in this recipe. It just seems like maybe there’s too much tartness to make a sweet soda. I don’t know how you crafted this recipe, but I would maybe take that cherry combo and put it in with just the WF Lemon Lime Soda and see if tweaking percentages will get you there. If it’s not quite right, then maybe try with the Lemon Mix and Lime Wedge and drop the WF. If that was all done in earlier versions, then I reckon you can scratch that. I’m sure someone else here has had these flavors and can help you out. But it’s definitely not the worst thing I’ve ever tasted 🙂
What’s really wild about this is that I can’t even really tell that FLV Bourbon is in there. It usually gives me a bit of throat irritation, but that PB and Bavarian Cream seem to be smoothing that right out. I do get some of that wonderful oak barrel taste, and some of the Kentucky Bourbon top notes, but let’s not shit ourselves here, the peanut butter is hogging the spotlight. And I like that. I’ve probably licked a good 2 ml off the back of my hand. I want that flavor in things that I put in my mouth. I want it in ice cream and coffee. I don’t really care what it’s in, just put it in my mouth. Really, I probably like licking it off my hand more than I like vaping it. It’s like, cut out the middle man and give me the taste. That’s not to say it isn’t a pleasing vape, it’s just an exceptional lick.
August 9, 2018 at 8:10 am #4630
Red Hot America Summer Blend by Ebc88
It tastes like dirty strawberry candy. In theory, at least, I could go for a really nice strawberry ‘bacco, but I’m not really getting tobacco here. I’m guessing that, whatever a “really nice strawberry ‘bacco” tastes like, it probably resembles a cigar, pipe tobacco, or fancy cigarette with a little natural-tasting strawberry accent. But the body of this is strawberry, and candyish, and with the tobacco coming across as both an accent and as more of an earthy thing than an authentic tobacco… yeah, dirty strawberry candy.
Going back to the recipe and notes, I see I forgot that Boysenberry was even in here. It tastes like strawberry to me. Usually FA Red Touch is a little more on the natural side of strawberry but I guess the Boysenberry and RF SC together are giving it more of a candy vibe. Boysenberry definitely has some body and jammy sweetness and it’s probably what’s giving so much candy body. I’m not familiar with either of these tobaccos so not sure what’s going on there, but it tastes like it needs a lot more tobacco and like a richer, darker tobacco might work better. But, if I’d made this, the result here would probably convince me to scrap the idea of mixing both strawberry and boysenberry together with tobacco. It seems like dark rich boysenberry tobacco could be really good. It also seems like the tobaccos here might work with strawberry without all the jammy sweetness that Boysenberry brings to the party. So even though I’m not into the dirty strawberry candy, this tastes like the start of two potentially great recipes that just need to be separated from each other.
August 10, 2018 at 7:11 am #4635
Kiksuya Chew by ChemicalBurnVictim
Top accuracy. It’s kind of gross how much this actually tastes like chewing tobacco. I’m pretty sure I have mouth cancer now. Knowing what some of these flavors taste like individually, the idea of using them to make this seems like some real wizardry. The only drawback I can see is that unless I’ve just taken a sip of water seconds before vaping it, it feels a little dry. Not dry compared to most tobaccos or even most juices in general, but maybe too dry for the juicy profile? I’m not sure what to do about that, if anything. Maybe a drop of FLV Lovage or half a drop of INW Cactus?
August 11, 2018 at 8:23 am #4642
Mango Funk by RileySwims
Is this pandering? Am I being pandered to? It probably sounds horribly egotistical to say so, but on paper, it looks like pandering.
But, having tried this and the Fuji version of Funk, I definitely prefer the Fuji. There’s nothing unpleasant here but the balance seems off. Mango is competing with the Guava/Hops rather than complementing it and making the Elderflower seem like an afterthought rather than rather than being completed by Elderflower the way Fuji is. I’m not tasting anything that makes me think these flavors can’t all work together, but it doesn’t taste like the concentrations of them have been made to do so just yet. It might just need more Guava/Hops and/or less Mango? Not sure what it would take to get a mango layer in underneath the Guava/Hops notes without it blending with it so much and getting a bit muddled. It might, and I hate to say it because I love FLV Mango so much, work better with a different mango flavor, a riper mango that hits the low notes a little better and fits the idea of Funk better. VT Shisha Mango has a bit of that piney peel thing that bothers me personally as a single flavor mango, though I know it can be covered up in a mix. Don’t think it would be covered up in this mix at all, the question is whether it would combine with piney Hops and turn the whole thing too piney instead of working with Guava. But if I needed Mango Funk to work, I’d give it a try instead of FLV, and maybe just a little more Pink Guava to stand up to the extra pine.
August 14, 2018 at 1:08 pm #4653
Sidewinder by pacificTimbre
Cherries are notoriously difficult. Citrus can get super harsh super quick. So lets make a cherry lemon lime soda. What could go wrong?
Not too much actually. I really enjoyed this recipe.I get a nice, smooth lemon with a little lime behind it and then the an artificial cherry flavor without more than the slightest hint of that medicine nonsense. I wouldn’t say even really gets cough syrupy, it just sort of threatens to, if that makes any sense. The soda part is the only area that really comes up short. It seems like a touch of coolant could help sell that. I’d probably go with WS-23 because I worry that Koolada or Polar Blast might get a bit weird with the cherry. RF Soda Base is another option, but I think VT Lemonade or VT Fizzy Sherbet is are better ones. Of course, adding any of those things might require all kinds of re-balancing, but I’m getting more what I could call a lemonade, one made with lots of real lemon and a little real lime and then finished with artificial cherry syrup. A very light touch of sucralose sweetener might help as well, but very light. If CAP Super Sweet is what you’ve got, I’m thinking less than 0.25%. This could be a time where TFA Sweetener would actually come in handy – that maltol jammiess work here a long with the sucralose to really emulate a sticky sweet yet fizzy soda.
Looking at the recipe, I’m surprised to see INW Cherries pretty much working up that high. Or anything with “maraschino” in the name not being awful (I don’t have that one). It seems like one or both of the cherries could come down just a hair in case someone with a more sensitive palate than mine gets medicine out of it. Using FA Strawberry to fill out the cherry? Genius. I’ve used TFA Pomegranate to do that before and this seems to work even better. I feel shown up by that and might need to back and revisit a recipe because of how well that works.
Overall this seems like it could use some work to really nail the stated profile, but it’s already a perfectly enjoyable vape.
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