September 16, 2018 at 12:39 pm #4832
Blitz by AlfredPudding
Menu Description: A hop infused rhubarb and dragon fruit energy drink.
Back Nine “by” ID10-T
Menu Description: Arnold Palmer spiked with Bourbon.
Apple Shisha by isuamadog
Menu Description: Shisha Apple with a hint of mint.
The stereotypical Jo k(AKA the Kool prick) by Grorco
Menu Description: Prickly cactus, and pineapple, sweetened with mango and chilled with koolada.
Note: This is the one that’s missing a label.
Elder Captain by Hangsen
Menu Description: Featured flavor at 1.5%.
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September 20, 2018 at 7:00 pm #4838AlfredPuddingParticipant
Apple Shisha by Isuamadog –
I enjoy the combination of apple, tobacco, and mint used in this. I agree that the Bahraini Apple Gold is an authentic flavor, and pairs with the Cavendish/Am4a syrupy note incredibly well. My only major criticism with the recipe is the amount of ash. I understand that you were going for a smoky quality, but for my personal tastes the mix of DNB and Black Fire is aggressive. This could also be a matter of letting it steep more, and I will definitely be trying this again around 1 month. I have no experience with FLV Wood Spice, so I’m not sure how much it shows up. It’s definitely not doing anything bad to the profile from what I can tell. I would also explore the idea of adding another apple flavor to support the Apple Gold, and make it really stand on top of the tobacco blend. Score: 74/100.
Back Nine by ID10-T –
Well this has put me in a strange situation. I had a large role in the creation of this recipe, so I’m sure my feedback will be biased. I guess I’ll lead with my breakdown of the flavors used. The combination of Sweet Tea and Lemon tea does a lot to get the profile started. The hot tea is being bent enough to transform it into a restaurant style glass of tea with lemon in it. The duo is adding a solid amount of astringency, and it lets you know that you are getting an Arnold Palmer. The Shisha Lemon is a unique flavor that sits on the fence between candy and natural lemon juice. Pairing it with some sucralose and preservative magic transforms it into a solid lemonade flavor. Finally, the bourbon trifecta is a mixture of alcohol bite, sweet mash, and oak that really shines in the overall experience. My major criticisms start with the cooling additive, I wonder if there is an alternative flavor somewhere that would preserve the alcohol top-note while still being more present. The second criticism I have for this recipe is the lemonade, the lemon tea and shisha lemon with sweetener are fighting to make a powdered mix and lemon wedge filled drink. Score: 82/100
HS Elder Captain 1.5% –
Clove. That’s mostly what I get from this, but not in a bad way. It’s a very smooth and full clove flavor. There is some serious sweetness going on, and the throat-hit has a well balanced punch. Some tobacco flavor is going on under the clove, but it is very subtle. So as you probably guessed I would assert – this should be used as an accent in a tobacco style recipe. Overall I find this flavor very enjoyable, and I can see a lot of applications for it. Score: 73/100.
The Stereotypical Jock (AKA The Kool Prick) by Grorco –
Alright Grorco, I’m leading this review of with proposed correction to your description. This is not a prickly cactus and pineapple sweetened with mango, this is a mango sweetened with pineapple and cactus. At 1.5% FLV Mango is definitely the leading note for the recipe. This mistake is harmless however, because FLV Mango is an awesome flavor. Overall I would say you just need to fiddle with the percentages to get this recipe where it needs to go. LA Lemonade is a weaker lemonade flavor, so I’m interested to see why you went with it at 1.25% for this. Lastly, the Koolada at 1.25% is a bit too cardboard-like for my palette, which is highlighted behind the mango’s tropical funk. Score: 60/100.
October 3, 2018 at 6:19 pm #4840GrorcoParticipant
Apple Shisha by Isuamadog –
So I don’t feel the most qualified to review this, I was never a connoisseur of fine tobaccos. So I’m going to try to focus on what I’m a little bit better at distinguishing. The wood accent hit me right off the bat. The way that this dried out the vape was incredibly delightful, it gave an extremely real feel to a cigar vape experience extra kudos for this. As for the apple I would like to see this brought forward a bit, I feel like the balance of vape is just a little on the dark/dry side and think the brightness of the apple under where I’d prefer. I have mixed feelings about the cooling agents, I barely noticed these when I first tried the mix they seemed to just kind of “wet” my vape. Now after pocket steeping, they are more prevalent and it’s not as enjoyable as when I first started. For this I might try dropping one of the two? I would feel guilty trying to pass judgment on the tobacco itself, I will say I personally liked it but don’t have any real experience to compare it too. Overall I’d give this mix a strong 7.5/10, bump the apple up just a little and I think it’s an easy 8.
Back Nine ID10-T-
Just to be up front I’m not a huge fan of sweetened iced tea or Arnold Palmer’s. With that out of the way lets jump in. I was surprised by how up prominent the lemon was when it was 14% tea. I get this weird back and forth between which one I can taste the most. One hit I’ll get a mouthful a nice cold ice tea with a bit of lemon, then the next hit will be lemonade with some tea. I think what maybe going on is the balance is so on the nose, mine can’t decide which one to put up front? The flavor of the tea is on point, reminds me of a Lipton sweetened ice tea. The lemonade portion is a little to candy-ish for me I keep getting glimpses of a lemon drop but I’ll come back to that. I’d like to see both the bourbons brought forward personally, if I’m making a stiff drink I like them stiff. I’d say that is more of a personal preference and not anything wrong with the mix though, I can taste the bourbon in the back and most people probably prefer it that way. I honestly didn’t even notice the coolant at first, I wouldn’t mess with that at all. It did the perfect job of making a cool drink refreshing drink, without shoving it in your face. The last thing is the super sweet, I think a lot of my issues with this vape would be taken care of if it wasn’t there at all. The weird lemon drop taste, I think is from the super sweet. I really prefer unsweetened tea, so bumping the sweetness up just kind of kills it for me. I’d give this 6/10 for my taste and how I’d like my drink mixed, but I could see how others would find this much higher.
Edit: After pocket steeping a couple days the flavor flip flopping on me quit, and it became much better melded and lost the candyness. Bump this up to 7/10 at that point.
HS Elder Captin-
So I really like this flavor solo, but it does not resemble the description to me what so ever lol. I know this is supposed to be a dry tobacco with little sweetness, but what I’m getting is a very sweet and juicy spiced apple mash. Honestly I have HS apple mix which is like an spiced hot cider, and I think that this would be the perfect match with it to make a hot apple cider vape. I’d give this solo flavor a 8.5/10 for good taste on one flavor, but for how it matches the description for me I’d go down to 2/10.
Blitz by AlfredPudding-
This is COLD and I love it, but I think it maybe drawing too much attention from the great flavors underneath. The dragon fruit was the first thing that jumped out at me and in a good way, I was actually confused when I read through the ingredients, until I found Pitaya was a type of dragon fruit. I normally don’t think about mouthfeel, but I have to say I got this sticky mouthfeel like I was eating cotton candy. I really liked it and couldn’t figure it out at first, but then I started picking up on the piney undertones more and it started to make sense. I had issues picking up on the other parts of the energy drink and rhubarb. I could get glimpses of it when my coil was hot on the inhale, but as soon as I’d let off I’d loose it to the cooling agent. I think if I were to try anything with this recipe it’d be to bump up the green goblin and pink panther a bit, or drop back the ws-23 a hair. I really enjoyed this vape, I could see ADVing it. I’m going to give it an 8.5 out of 10.
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October 7, 2018 at 12:19 pm #4842isuamadogParticipant
Blitz by Alfred Pudding –
Lots of flavors here I am not familiar with. I am crazy in love with Yakima hops and fizzy sherbet right now and I think it’s very interesting to see both lower than I’m used to and hanging out under everything to where I simply can’t find it. So I’m guessing the forward flavor I’m getting here is the green goblin. It pokes its head out under a blanket of cool to give me some unusual newness. I’m guessing that the supporting flavors are playing a role here in the uniqueness to me as I’m unfamiliar with those as well. Not sure I can describe it off the bat because I can’t place or recognize the flavors. One thing blocking my view is the coolant. When I got ws-23, I put it in ever increasing doses in everything until nothing tasted right without it. That stuff is addictive to me, so I use it very rarely. Turns out my tolerance for it is very low because this came out cold as ice for me and interfered with my taste sensation of what seemed like an interesting set of flavors underneath. I guess for my tastes I would go lower around the .3-.5% range. I hate real life energy drinks. If energy drinks tasted like this, it would be a whole different ball game. So for authenticity, I’d gladly say it’s off since I like this much much more. Lastly, the label was a very nice touch indeed. I think I did more learning here than critiquing. I definitely would be curious to try this without coolant since I know how precise AP can be with his %’s. I’m sure they’re there at those levels for a reason.
Kool Prick by Grorco
Wow. Definitely cactus forward. When i first tried it, pineapple and mango put up a good fight . By the month’s end, cactus emerged victorious, perhaps a bit more the braggart and foolhardy than before. If we are going for cactus razor blades, sadly, I think I can even take a bit more. I just don’t want to. I do miss the tropical fruits and am interested in an inverse mix of these: Lemonade bumped up a fair amount, mango and pineapple mixing to star and cactus to add accent or funkiness like the unruly boy who combed his hair for thanksgiving dinner, and koolada dropped down a notch and a little less aggressive. I think that would be my preference and tastes for a mix of these flavors.
Back Nine by Alfred Pudding & ID-10T 🙂
Straight up, I would buy this. If I had found this when I first started vaping I would have loved it then. It’s really really well balanced. It held up to a short steep too. I think Some of the lemon faded by month’s end but I’m not exactly sure since I had to mostly force myself to not finish it. My original notes to myself for this:
I like this. Like, a lot. It’s sweet tea in the way I want a palmer to be. The balancing act here happened with the lemon and the bourbon in a really good way. I love polar blast and it is at my perfect percentage. The bourbons don’t stand out to me and I mean that in a really good way. I feel like they blended in somewhere with the tea portion of the mix to make a rich sweetness that is very pleasant. I already can’t think of any way I would want this to be different. This is, to me, one of those the sum is greater than its parts kind of vape and now I feel distinctly privileged to have watched the Pudding craziness around how those levels came to be. This profile is a take on something I already know I liked (sweet tea/palmer) and takes it to a rich flavorful place that I could see myself mixing this up and working it like it was going out of style. Ultimately, I’m not familiar with all the flavors but I can tell there were some excellent choices here.
When I pull, I get this slightly astringent tea that is quickly tamed by a dose of sweet that is my favorite part. What hangs out in the middle, is a rich depth I cant explain. I would definitely mix this and I would be very pleased if I had bought this. I personally don’t care so much if my vape is balanced as much as the flavor makes me stop and pay attention. My problem with lemonades and pink lemonades is that they are good but too soft. This solves that and has a strong flavor that just commanded my attention as unfamiliar tastes made a familiar profile.
Final – I love the sweetness on this. It’s lip smacking, tart, sweet and rich. The coolant is perfect. Light and flavorful all at the same time. A case of the sum greater than its parts.
Featured Flavor – HS Elder Captain @1.5%
impression – funny, I just got this in my labor day order and it was the first one I tested. I tried it at a 3% to start figuring I’d dilute it to 1.5% later. (Wait, before all that, what a great idea to do this. Mixer’s club ftw.) Clearly, I’m in love with tobaccos since I just swam merrily in this for a good hot second. I mean it really is clove. All I can think of is mixing this with some apple and spices to make some crazy fall vape. I’m going apple picking in two weeks so I think there will be some milled apple bourbon tobacco mix in my future.
I really enjoyed being a participant in this and thank the reviewers who had the distinct (dis)pleasure of trying my experiment 🙂 I will allow myself now to read your comments and make some adjustments.
October 7, 2018 at 7:07 pm #4843
Kool Prick by Grorco
I believe something I love could be created from these ingredients, but in these concentrations, I’ve got a few issues. The cactus is coming out swinging either a little too hard or not hard enough; it’s not enough to be cactus recipe but it’s too hard for a cactus accent. It’s a touch perfumy and aloe-y. I can get some nice tartness here but the pineapple and the lemonade are mostly overrun by cactus and mango. Finally, as someone as already pointed out, the Koolada gets even weirder than it would otherwise be, when placed up against the little bit of funk in the mango as it is here. It’s a nice level of icy but not as clean an iciness as I would like it to be. It think FA Polar Blast could do better. Or WS-23 could flip the recipe around so it starts off cold and change it so that the amount of cactus works here, then ends with that mango sweetness lingering. That’s the first thing I’d try here if this were my recipe, swapping the Koolada for an equal amount of WS-23 and seeing what happens.
October 7, 2018 at 9:07 pm #4844
Blitz by AlfredPudding
Hop infused rhubarb and dragonfruit energy drink is a crazy profile, but i think this just about gets it done. I’ve got like 1,200 flavors and somehow this recipe has two that don’t have, Green Goblin and Pink Panther, so I was intrigued to try it. It’s cold but not too cold and I’m not sure it’s something I’d want to taste without it being nicely chilled. The green energy drink flavor was never my favorite but it seems to just mostly fill this all out. My favorite thing about it is that after the hit of coolant and in front of this constant backdrop of green stuff I get a progression of flavors, hops, INW dragonfruit, that nifty sort of rhubarb sweetened with red berry juice. All of them intensify with extended vaping like watching a play and getting to know the cast of characters and caring about them so much that the fact that it’s cold in the theater and the curtain is an unnatural neon sticky sweet green isn’t super distracting anymore. If I could change one thing about this recipe, it’s that the overall flavor is a touch light to me. Normally I appreciate that in that it won’t wear out my palate but this is such an odd combo that I feel like it ought to be LOUD as well as weird. I only tried it in my favorite RDA so this an untested theory, but I have a feeling that if I put it in a shitty subohm tank with prebuilt coils it would taste like cold sweet nothing. I want this to be something that would be plenty of flavor in that sort of setup. I want my face blasted off with these flavors. I don’t want it overdone and throwing up off notes everywhere, but I do want it pushed right up to the limit, just every flavor in here giving me its all. A crazy bold mix for a crazy bold profile, no feather touch stuff, no more Mr. Nice Guy. If I had bought this as a one-shot mixed it at 12%, I’d try it again at 15%. Might wind up regretting it, but I’d at least give it a shot.
October 8, 2018 at 9:05 pm #4845
Apple Shisha by Isuamadog
I’ve never tried Apple Shisha to be able to comment or suggest anything on the subject of authenticity here but I can definitely dig it. I was afraid of the amount of Black Fire and DNB in here together but after this long steep it’s working quite well. It seems like the mint in the Bahraini Apple Gold, backed up by menthol, cleans up some of that filth. And I mean filth in the nicest possible way here, but still, it looks like it would be overbearing. But it isn’t. Nothing is. It’s all very well balanced as as much as I MIGHT like more apple, I’m afraid it would throw everything off. The syrupy sweetness is working really well here for what I assume Apple Shisha would taste like. It does seem like like their might be some room to consolidate by just choosing one of the two menthols. It tastes lovely but the recipe would look better and others might be more inclined to try it if it were simplified just that much. But maybe both are needed, I don’t know. That Wood Spice is on point here. I don’t know what kind of horribleness Apple Gold has for a room note but Wood Spice seems to be fixing it. If this was about taking a difficult flavor and making it work, as the notes seem to suggest, I’d consider it a success.
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October 9, 2018 at 9:26 am #4848
HS Elder Captain 1.5%
Goddammit CBV this flavor is a nightmare for me, why would you do this to me? Not because it’s a “bad” flavor necessarily, but because it’s mostly a combination of things I don’t like. It’s cloves and the only setting where I can tolerate cloves is a kretek type setting and as one of four parts of pumpkin spice. This is not enough tobacco for kretek and missing the other three elements of pumpkin or holiday spice. Instead of those spices, I’m getting just hint a licorice. I hate licorice. There’s also some tobacco underneath but it’s subtle. It’s quite sweet and the sweetness is on the fruity side of sweetness that just makes the clove and hint of licorice worse for me. On the upside, I can’t pick out anything here that people who enjoy these flavors wouldn’t appreciate, and it’s quite full and smooth. I would just warn people who aren’t fans of clove that it’s essentially a clove flavor and people who are sensitive to anise flavor that this has some and that it has a sweetness that makes it taste like black licorice. Big ol mouthful of smooth (which is unusual – in a good way – for clove) CLOVE, with a subtle tobacco backnote and a hint of black licorice. This is a well-named flavor, it tastes like something a grizzled old seafarer might pull out of his pocket.
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